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Brandi Wiseman
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:04:00 -
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The Gallente seem to be making this up as they go along.
What is meant by assigning an observer to the defense? I thought it was a fundamental principle of law that a defendant was able to meet with his legal representative in private and without being observed? Is this right now being waived?
The Minmatar observer has absolutely no right to be involved in any way with meetings of the defense. The defendant has not been found guilty of any crime and may yet turn out to be entirely innocent (mistaken identity etc.). Having an observer present is a complete violation of the legal process.
The Gallente should be ashamed of themselves for caving in on this point.
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Brandi Wiseman
Precept Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:25:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:A welcomed first step this is to rebuild the alliance between the Republic and the Federation, I certainly hope that the punishment for the alleged assassin will satisfy both parties and we can finally end this entire farse.
I fixed that for you. It's important that we don't jump to conclusions.
I also think that the term 'assassin' is speculative. There appears no evidence that Karin Midular was a specific target. Rather, it appears that a gunman opened fire on a crowd which contained Midular. there was no 'assassination'.
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Brandi Wiseman
Precept Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:35:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:Brandi Wiseman wrote:
I fixed that for you. It's important that we don't jump to conclusions.
I also think that the term 'assassin' is speculative. There appears no evidence that Karin Midular was a specific target. Rather, it appears that a gunman opened fire on a crowd which contained Midular. there was no 'assassination'.
yes, you have a point, I'll refrain from using the word from now on. It just happened to be a name for the person responsible for the shooting so I used that. But regardless, point still stands that I hope everything can come to an even somewhat peaceful resolution.
That's good to hear. My point is that too many people have assumed guilt in this instance. The Minmatar have almost started a war over the issue and a lot of people are calling for blood. If this individual is guilty, then that guilt must be determined under the law, not just by happenstance.
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Brandi Wiseman
Precept Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.13 14:33:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Correction: Matari demands of getting custody of this individual have been for trial by a tribal court, not for vengeance. Yet, anyway.
And you went to war for it.
Your fleet was little more than a lynch mob.
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Brandi Wiseman
Precept Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.13 15:50:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Don't you find it ironic that you, who call for not calling a person guilty before trial, cannot differentiate between going to war in order to bring someone to court, and a lynch mob?`
Not that either is necessary right. But surely they are different wrongs?
I can't differentiate between it, no. The Gallente Federation were already investigating the incident, had a suspect and were initiating trial proceedings to bring that individual to court.
There was absolutely no reason for the Minmatar to attempt to escalate matters by bringing a fleet into Gallente space in order to take the prisoner into their custody. Hence why I refer to the actions of a lynch mob.
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Brandi Wiseman
Precept Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.13 16:48:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:So.
Every warship fleet that does something unnecessary is a "lynch mob"? That is a very interesting definition, but I'l try and remember that's how you use the word, in any further conversations with you.
Elsebeth
Please try reading what I actually wrote.
I clearly said that the Minmatar had no reason to bring their fleet into Gallente space to bring a fugitive to trial. I didn't link it to any and every unnecessary fleet action.
The Gallente already had a suspect and were already engaged in conducting the proper legal proceedings. By contrast the Minmatar had no legal right for their actions as the crime was not committed in Minmatar space and their actions led to a large number of people being killed on both sides.
I would urge you to be a little more discerning in considering the actions of the Minmatar fleet.
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